Friday, July 17, 2009


Hurrain / Semites

When we read web sites about the Hyksos, many times we read "The Hyksos were of Semitic and Hurrain backgrounds"

Let's read other stuff about the Hurrains"


The Hurrians were a people in the areas of northern Iraq, Turkey and Syria before 2500 BC. The largest Hurrian nation was the kingdom of Mitanni, which lasted from 1450 BC until its destruction by Assyria in 1270 BC.

Their origin is a mystery. The Hurrians spoke an agglutinative language, conventionally called Hurrian, which was unrelated to neighboring Semitic or Indo-European

Hurrian names occur sporadically in an ancient city in Iraq, sitting near the Hasa River on the ruins of a 3,000-year-old settlement.

A Kurd in an area in Iraq where Hurrian artifacts exist.

Their presence was attested at Nuzi and Urkesh and other sites.

Around 1775 BC, in the reign of Hammurabi, Hurrians are recorded as entering the Babylonian Empire in the region of Chagar Bazar. By 1725 BC they are found also in parts of northern Syria, such as Alalakh.

Archaeological knowledge of the Hurrians is still fairly scanty, relying mostly on cuneiform tablets from Hattusas, the capital of the Hittites.


Now a little about Ahmose who is the Pharaoh who drove the Hyksos out of Egypt

Ahmose expelled the Hyksos around 1500 BC

* Hurrains hung out from about 1450 BC to at least 1725

* Hyksos were driven out of Egypt around 1500 BC

* What Hurrain text was cuneiform but this appears to be a language of multiple nations in the Iraq hub.

* "The Hurrain language was UNRELATED to the Semitic or Indo-European languages".. that would disqualify them from being Semites.


Mesopotamian / Hurrain / Hittite / Akkadian / Babylon / Assyria / Persia / Assyria ... and many more empires = mush.

None of the ancient middle east empires can be brought into focus.

* Where any of them were, is only marked by the text and artifacts found in any area.

* At any given time in history, multiple nationalities may have lived in the very same areas. The bible accounts is a good example of land sharing empires. In the bible accounts there were over a dozen different tribes/nations that shared the land of Canaan and these people often lived next door to each other. (One such example is David and his neighbor, Uriah the Hittite.

* Calendars are a big problem. Even the ancients that had the best calendars never had a bench mark. They just worked on a yearly basis.

Our calendars' bench mark is the birth of Christ. BCE BC or AD / CE are based on the Christian era or the birth of Christ.

Hittites, Babylonians, Akkadians .... unless they had the same bench mark to base their calendars, there is no way to predict time lines with any accuracy.

There is a never ending stream of "archeologist/historians/scholars" with contradicting time lines of centuries.

* Who were the ancients talking about? If one population called Donald Duck ... Oggy Boogie and another population called him Beebop, how would they be able to tell when or if one kingdom was talking about the same persons or even the same nation?


One thing written to identify the Hyksos is "They were Semites"

European 'Jews' like to use the word Semite to identify themselves. This particular assertion is they are descendants of Shem.

The concept of the existence of a Semite (descendant of Shem) is laughable.

According to the bible the whole earth was repopulated from the 3 sons of Noah.

Genesis 9:19 "The whole earth was populated from the 3 sons of Noah" .. then did the children of Shem produce their children with their own brothers and sisters or with their cousins?

Genesis 10:

6 And the sons of Ham; Cush, and Mizraim (EGYPT), and Phut, and Canaan.

15. And Canaan begat Sidon his firstborn, and Heth,

16. And the Jebusite, and the Amorite, and the Girgasite,

17. And the Hivite, and the Arkite, and the Sinite,

18. And the Arvadite, and the Zemarite, and the Hamathite: and afterward were the families of the Canaanites spread abroad.

( A fractional list of the descendants of Ham) ... and of course the Israelites produced their families with the descendants of Ham.

The mothers of 11 of the sons of Israel were Canaanites. The mother of the tribe of Joseph was an Egyptian.

Judges 3:5 And the children of Israel dwelt among the Canaanites, Hittites, and Amorites, and Perizzites, and Hivites, and Jebusites.

Judges 3:6 And they took their daughters to be their wives, and gave their daughters to their sons

This is just a trivial fraction of the descendants of Ham that the Israelites produced their children with.

No one is the exclusive descendant of any particular ancestor but they are a composite of every ancestor they ever had. The Israelites were no more Semites than they were Hamites. No such thing as a Semite ever existed (exclusive descendant of Shem)


If they wish to identify a Semite as some one who spoke an Asian language of the middle east, then every one in the middle east was a Semite.

What is now called the Hebrew language is NOT the language of the ancient middle east.

If speaking the language of the Asians of the middle east makes one a Semite, that excludes the European 'Jews'.


How do these authors know "The Hyksos were Semites"? The only way to know this would be to find ancient text in Egypt where the Hyksos or the Egyptians identified them as Semites.

"Hyksos were Semites" ..... just more European concoctions !



I guess Mesopotamian is a term of the general land area where these middle east empires were.

No specific land area or time line (with in centuries) can be established. Multiple empires overlapped each other. You may find settlements from different empires close to each other.

What people are called in any land depends only on which political group is in power.

Unknown native American tribes, Mexico, Texas, Americans .. people who lived in the very same land area would have different identifications, depending on which political power controlled it at that particular time.


The only thing known about the Hurrains is where the largest contraction of text is that identifies them... Iraq, Syria, Turkey. The Kurd above is a guy who happened to be photographed in that area.


Why did these story tellers concoct the BS that the Hyksos are descendants of Hurrains? I am not sure, but guessing their is another fairy tale that the Hurrains were Europeans who invaded Mesopotamian.

Could it be they want to transfer this fairy tale, to Europeans being the Hyksos, so they can have white Europeans being the Israelites who ruled Egypt?


Even the Hurrain joke mocks their fairy tale about the Hyksos, because in this fairy tale, the Hyksos came from Canaan... BUT the Hurrains were from Iran/Turkey/Syria.. Oooops.

How do they know "the Hyksos were Hurrains"?

The only way to know this would be to find ancient text in Egypt where the Hyksos or the Egyptians identified them as Hurrains.

"Hyksos were Hurrains" ... just more European concoctions.